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Is Jonathan looking for more of your money? by
They might be. Did you notice “… and brought a new idea to our community and the City of Chaska, the H.I.A.” as part of Mr. Sibley’s recent post to the “Jonathan Changes Election Process” article? You might want to take the time to read about the H.I.A., because it could cost you some money - and potentially a lot of it. I believe H.I.A. stands for Housing Improvement Areas. It is part of Minnesota State Statute – Chapter 428A. Special Service Districts; Housing Improvement Areas. One article that I found online stated, in part, ‘A housing improvement area is a defined area in a city in which housing improvements in condominium or townhome complexes (the actual statute language includes improvements to common elements of a condominium or other common interest community) may be financed with the assistance of the city, or the city’s economic development authority or housing and redevelopment authority. … The improvements that may be made under this law include improvements to the common elements in a condominium complex to townhome development, including roofing, siding, landscaping, roadways, and walkways. …An HIA (Housing Improvement Area) can only be established at the request (petition) of at least 25% of the owners of the housing units in the proposed area. If a petition if filed, then the city prepares an ordinance that describes the area, states the basis for imposing fees and the number of years the fees will be imposed, and makes a finding that without the HIA, the proposed improvements could not be made. … The city may finance the improvements by advancing funds available to the city to pay up front and then recover the costs by charging fees; or issuing bonds to pay the costs and then imposing fees or assessments to repay the bonds. Obligations are not included in the city’s debt and no election is required for their issuance. [The fees or assessments come from you and I – the property owners - this is not free money from the city]. As to what this funding might pay for, during the recent annual meeting I believe they stated it would cost $880,000 to fix the tot lot items listed in a recent tot lot assessment. I believe someone mentioned 20 miles of trails, many of which could use replacement. I heard the number of over $20,000 for 400 feet of trail in Outlot B in the Clover neighborhood. This could add up in a hurry if several miles of trails are repaved. As to the trails, it is my understanding that most of them were installed at a six foot width, while newer trails are typically eight feet wide. Then there is the Lake Grace Pavilion, the Eitel House, the Karen House, and the proposed maintenance shed. From where I am sitting, this could all add up to a rather large sum of money. You might want to read up on Housing Improvement Areas. It could cost you money, so you might want to speak up.
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Ms. Boe, please understand
by Luke
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Ms. Boe, please understand most Chaska residents don’t sit around just waiting for your posts. You ask “what took me so long?” A neighbor mentioned your silly post to me earlier in the day and I just had to log in and get a laugh.
I do not need a lecture from you about being respectful and sticking to an issue. Your earlier posts indicate your lack of respect for others as well as your lack of accountability for what you and the other board members did to the Association. You should remember that your opinions and ideas were soundly defeated in the election and as Mr. Sibley respectfully pointed out, no one who supports your positions ran for a board seat this year.
I believe that says more than you understand.

What took you so long to
by Debbie Boe
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What took you so long to post? Makes me wonder if this is related to the posts in the Star Tribune I made this past week about the Jonathan article. Perhaps you will take the time to post your own opinions about an issue when I post my next forum topic. Adults can have a variety of opinions about an issue without the slams. I have no interest in your or anyone elses negative slams. Please be respectful and stick to the issue.

SIBLEY ROCKS! I only wonder
by Luke
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SIBLEY ROCKS! I only wonder where the association would be if he hadn’t involved himself protecting our rights to vote on the barn issue and let the previous board continue with their dastardly plan. Both were wastes of my money.
Thank you Mr. Sibley for all your work and dedication. You’re a huge help to those of us who haven’t paid attention. Maybe you should have had the constant negative contributor removed as well. You may have wanted to see how well received her opinions were by allowing her to remain on the board and get slaughtered in the election.

I agree with Fuzzy Logic
by SOCALGirl
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Mar 23, 2009 | 8 8 recommendations | email to a friend | print

I agree with Fuzzy Logic that this is like a bunch of 5 year olds! This is out of hand and the two totally reponsible for this back and forth stuff need to STOP! As far as I am concerned, you are not doing any good at this point. Can’t we all just get along – what is done is done, lets all move on.
My take on Mr Sibley and his rage on his posts is that the only why he knows how to deal with conflict is to bash people into the ground to make himself feel better. If someone doesn’t agree with him then you become his enemy and he will find anyway he can to make your life miserable until you give into his requests.
Quit carrying grudges, it doesn’t do any good holding on to old issues. Maybe there needs to be a group hug :-)
To both Mr Sibley and Ms Boe, grow up and act your age, treat people with the same respect that you would want others to give you.
SOCALGirl

Well stated, Fuzzy and very
by sfwug
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Well stated, Fuzzy and very good points!
As you may have assessed, there’s a lot of healing that needs to occur within the community. It may take a few years, hopefully less to recover financially and emotionally as it took five (5) years of neglect to get us here. Many hope that having a positive and responsible Board of Directors will continue to facilitate the healing.
Thank you for taking the time to share your objective perspective. It certainly isn’t “Fuzzy” :-)
Mike
Mike

After reading through this
by Fuzzy Logic
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After reading through this thread I am once again reassured that my wife and I made the proper decision to not have anything to do with Jonathan when we moved from downtown Chaska to our current home in Chaska 12 years ago.
I feel like I’ve entered a 5th grade classroom every time I read anything at all about this issue. I know, as I have learned in discussions with others in Chaska, that many people wish it would just go away and it would just be “Chaska”.
But part of me would miss the fun. Especially when I read both sides of the argument accusing others of name-calling, not being objective, etc. Quite simply, coming from an outsider, I read and hear nothing but a lack of respect for others views.
You all are fooling yourselves if you think anyone is taking the high road.

A little sensitive, Deb? I
by sfwug
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A little sensitive, Deb? I don’t believe Mark singled you out at all. I believe he was addressing many who have posted here, including me.
You been shown “respect” yet have shown little in return. Your using a board members confidential email without considering the author might not wanted it shared is one example. I’ve shown you respect by answering most all of your questions and providing you with detail to give you a better, clearer understanding. I regret this repartee comes across as “aggressive”; that’s not my intent. It’s to be direct and clear and minimize ambiguity. Yet your responses to my answers like “hogwash” and then the name calling, “bully” and “tyrant,” are certainly less than respectful.
Mike

LOL. Classic, Deb! So you
by sfwug
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LOL. Classic, Deb! So you found ZERO occurrences of name calling and ZERO distortions. That’s what I thought.
First I was “over the top” and now I’m “just under the wire”. That’s rather silly, Deb. Isn’t it?
Of course actually name calling like “bully” and “tyrant” must be “civil” in your eyes.
It’s tough to clean up your misstatements and misinformation when you actually go back and check, isn’t it, Debbie.
You said this was a place for “debate” yet used it yourself for name calling and misinforming the readers as CLEARLY indicated above. Debate means exchanging differing views. When I disagree with your statements AND provide support for my position, you attack me with name calling and don’t even respond to my counterpoint. Is that “adult like”?
These posts aren’t about what makes you feel comfortable. You seem to find discomfort when someone disagrees and provides information supporting their position. You asked me if I was a “JRG” member, I responded and you replied “hogwash”. How would you know? You asked, I responded. How civil was your response, Deb? Is that “adult like”?
It’s unfortunate you don’t seem to like to hear what actually has occurred in the Association over the last 8 years. Maybe a little more objectivity would foster more understanding on your part towards those who have actually taken the time and made the effort to IMPROVE YOUR community. It’s worth a try, Deb. That would be “adult like”
If the others are outraged over a simple play on their “screen names”, then they certainly won’t have the stomach to hear what really has occurred in our community the last 6 years and probably won’t be able to tolerate someone actually disagreeing with them. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t reveal my name either. Actual facts and knowledge of the situation will usually illuminate the truth when others CHOOSE to resort to name calling, misstating the truth and as “sadsad” said, “rewriting history”. You’ve shown a simple jape with you is simply wasted. A little sense of humor goes a loonnnng way…it’s much more beneficial then CHOOSING to feel harassed.
Mike
ps – Now that the Jonathan Association has righted itself and has a Board of Directors focused on IMPROVING the community and meeting their responsibilities and obligations, would you say you and your other “buds”, are the NEW Jonathan Protestors? Or is that “name calling”?

Mark. Curious why you
by Debbie Boe
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Mark. Curious why you posted this now. I asked Mr. Sibley to be more respectful two days ago. His response, in part, was:
“When you chose to show respect for the board, the Association (your neighbors) and the others who take their time to improve the community, I’m confident it will be returned in kind. It REALLY is that easy.”
In my opinion, many of Mr. Sibley’s blog entries have been very aggresive and personal towards me. He frequenly mentioned my name and has made numerous inferences. Was this o.k. with the Herald and yet my blog entries were not ok?

OK. I checked this string
by Debbie Boe
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OK. I checked this string of blog entries. How about:
“The sky is falling! The sky is falling! And it’s all Jonathan’s fault" Not exactly civil. On to “chaskanoname” and “noname” Then there is the multiple use of "sadsad” Many of the rest of your remarks just fit under the wire. You know, like “I would imagine the officer will get a good chuckle telling that story to his/her fellow officers.,” when I called the police to complain about your harassment via your aggressive blog entries. That sure sounds like an adult …

Thank you for the lesson in
by sfwug
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Thank you for the lesson in “Freedom of Expression”, Ms. Boe and your fine use of City resources. I would imagine the officer will get a good chuckle telling that story to his/her fellow officers.
I agree 100%. People should stand up for themselves and their beliefs, which is exactly what I’m doing. Not only that, I’m providing clarity, although admittedly a little on the wordy side, to those who have not had the opportunity or inclination to pay attention to the details of the Association over the last 6 to 8 years. So, Ms. Boe, I’m doing as you’ve suggested and what you do yourself, use this site to “debate” topics. Or, should I just debate those topics YOU choose to want to debate and only in the manner YOU prefer?
It is VERY curious that your first post today is a regurgitation of "sadsad"’s misinformation from yesterday. You specifically say, “I repeatedly call names”. That’s a false statement! Go back to the top of your blog here, Debbie and read down…you will see I didn’t call anyone, anything. Go ahead, I’ll wait….
Now that you can see I didn’t call anyone a “name”, wouldn’t you call YOUR post, misinformation Debbie? I think MOST intelligent people would.
It’s also curious that YOU bring this up because you were the first here to begin “name calling”, quickly followed-up by your buddy. Wasn’t it you who used the terms “bully” and “tyrant”?
Your audience is waiting Deb. Tell everyone what “names” I called you or others.
You also stated I distort others’ statements. I’m eager to apologize to anyone if I’ve distorted any of their comments as it’s never my intention. Maybe you can share with your audience here what statements I’ve distorted. C’mon, Deb! You’ve made several, VERY strong accusations and have been unable and unwilling to back any of them up. If you can’t, most of us will assume this is more misinformation YOU choose to provide the community and everyone reading your blog. Maybe THAT’S why you feel “uncomfortable” and “harassed”.
Mike

Well stated, Mark. Thank
by sfwug
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Well stated, Mark. Thank you!
Mike

A reminder to all parties in
by Mark Olson
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Mar 22, 2009 | 8 8 recommendations | email to a friend | print

A reminder to all parties in this discussion to please avoid getting personal.
Keep the discussion focused on the messages, not the messengers.
Thanks,
— Mark Olson, editor

Thank you. I agree that Mr.
by Debbie Boe
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Thank you. I agree that Mr. Sibley is way over the top. I actually called the Chaska Police on Saturday morning after reading his recent attack responses. An officer came to my home. The officer was pleasant, but told me Ms. Sibley can write anything he wants. I explained that I felt uncomfortable, threatened, and harassed by his aggressive writing. The officer told me it is Mr. Sibley’s right under “Freedom of Expression” to write anything he wants.
Don’t let Mr. Sibley’s continued rants, raves, and ugliness scare you or anyone else from posting. We can also write what we want. He is not the only person who reads these forums and he does not speak for anyone but himself. While I prefer people use their names, I do not blame anyone for not wanting Mr. Sibley to know who they are. He repeatedly calls names, writes derogatory remarks, and distorts other people’s statements. On the other hand, when you are dealing with a long winded bully like Mr. Sibley, you need to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. He is not the “king” of anything.

Thank you, "sadsad". Again,
by sfwug
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Thank you, “sadsad”. Again, you prove my point. I have never said anything negative about Greg Boe in any of my posts. Further evidence that you and Ms. Boe continue to provide misinformation to those reading your posts.
I began being very respectful of both you and Ms. Boe…check the record. Yet when I point out the misinformation you both provide, then I’m “bullying” and “badgering”. As I respectfully suggested to Ms. Boe, all she had to do is stop with the misinformation. She then asked that I clarify what was misleading, which I have, several times. Of course her response, like yours, is to resort to defining my responses and ignoring the “factual” information…like your mistaking the Special Meeting notification requirements. It’s not a huge deal, “hadhad”. It’s OK to say, “yeah, I was mistaken.” But when you just attack me, it kinda reveals your hiding your own misstep. It really is OK.
Mike

When you start showing
by hadhad
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When you start showing respect for other posters and stop badgering, bullying, chastising, harassing and threatening others, I will consider providing my name. Until then you can stew in your own venom.
Your disrespect for others is unacceptable. Your disrespect for Ms. Boe and her husband is way over the line and it borders on harassment.
If the newspaper has a policy in this area, they should use it and remove your disrespectful posts.

Nope "sadsad". I can answer
by sfwug
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Nope “sadsad”. I can answer the questions. I choose not to at this time due to your “choice” not to provide your name, as well as your “choice” to not bring your concerns publically to the board.
Seems that would be the most “respectful” approach. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to agree.
Mike

More "hogwash" only because
by sfwug
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More “hogwash” only because you say so. Continue to ignore the facts, Deb. What parts are “hogwash”? Of course you won’t say because you’ll be confronted with more facts. Saying it’s “hogwash” is only your attempt at discounting the information. Many can see right through it.
Was I a member of the JRG you ask? Guess you weren’t paying attention at the 2008 Annual Meeting where I stated I supported the JRG in 2003 because of the campaign promises they made, e.g. increased communication, survey’s to determine the wants and needs of the Members and then implementing the feedback. They fulfilled none of these.
Two of the removed board members asked me and another sub-Association board President to “join” the JRG. We both said no because we didn’t agree with their plan to dissolve the Association. One JRG member, a recently removed board member, said they (the JRG) had information that revealed that some neighborhoods were annexed illegally into the Association. He suggested the Bavaria Court Association could participate with the JRG in dissolving the Jonathan Association due to the rules infractions that led to the lawsuit. This was in 2004. Note the year. You will recall in 2007 the board told you and the Association Members that “they just learned about the improper annexations in Krass/Monroe’s work.” Several of us knew it was a total lie, but you may have bought it, many did.
But both of us agreed it wasn’t our intent to dissolve the Association. Our hope was to assist in making it run more efficiently and responsibly for all homeowners. You don’t just destroy something if it’s broken or not working as desired. Most organizations can be repaired with board members (leadership) that is diligent and takes their responsibilities seriously. Fortunately Deb, you now live in a community where the leadership does indeed take it’s role seriously. I’m happy for you and your neighbors.
You can wonder to your hearts content about why I choose to share facts about your misinformation and misleading statements, Deb. But it is REALLY, REALLY simple. The homeowners deserve to have accurate information to make their decisions, not edit versions of emails and just your spin. They have assets they’re paying for and are responsible for maintaining. I take that responsibility seriously and don’t appreciate those who cheat to get elected or those who want to destroy our assets without the consent of the homeowners, as required. It really is THAT simple! If the required number of homeowners wanted to dissolve the Association, that would be fine with me. But as you know, the board YOU served on never wanted to put it to a vote.
Mike

What an odd comment, Ms.
by sfwug
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What an odd comment, Ms. Boe. Using your silly argument here I guess you would expect every Jonathan resident to post their suggestions or ideas here first before taking it to the leadership of the Association. Let’s get everyone who reads these posts to “weigh-in” although it may not impact them at all. Let’s be sure to include the opinions of anonymous writers, even though we can’t be sure they even live in the Association, just because they have a keyboard. Laughable.
It also appears you don’t understand the role of a board member based on your statement, “the current board is too one-sided to have a decent debate.” One, if you have been paying attention, there have been several significant debates within the board. All done professionally and courteously, at least publicly. The way most would agree is appropriate. You seem to think there should be opposing political views. Unfortunately, the JRG brought politics into the Association. They promised many things and fulfilled very little. Of course you may want to say the PBJ was a political group and I would agree only to the extent that many homeowners recognized THEIR roles as Association Members and wanted to regain control of the board…you know, the “people” you spoke of earlier. The PBJ never dictated what the Association should do OTHER THEN what the Association is required to do, maintain and protect the assets of the Association; hold legitimate elections and improve the Association at the discretion of the board.
As you know, some board members suggested the PBJ was a radical group. Nothing could be further from the truth. I asked the board member who made the statement to provide two examples of things the PBJ supported that could be interpreted as “radical”. Of course he couldn’t name any.
So your view that the board is “too one-sided” is indeed, silly. There is only one side, doing what’s in the best interest of the Association (people). Of course people can have different opinions as to what that means, but it is NOT about, as you’ve suggested in the past, “pro-Jonathan” vs. dissolving the Association. Maybe you could research the issue of board responsibilities Debbie and share it with the community on this website. You’ll find the group you served with met very little of their responsibilities and obligations.
For those who might be interested in the role of board members, here’s a couple of the many websites available that address the matter:
http://www.gvccc.org/documents/hoa_ethics.pdf
http://www.associationtimes.com/articles2004/rolebod1104.htm
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=317A.251
Respectfully,
Mike Sibley

Just more hogwash and the
by Debbie Boe
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Just more hogwash and the same old anger. I am curious about one thing though. Aren’t you a former member of the JRG? Have you ever seen me at one of their “meetings?” No? That is correct, I am not a former member of the JRG. I wonder how much your rants and raves really has to do with your discontentment with those former relationships.

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